Lara and Michael welcome Amanda Gelender; writer, activist, and Jewish-American anti-zionist. She eloquently breaks down zionism and speaks about its stark contrast to Judaism. Michael points out how the occupation is literally sacrificing Jews in order to ‘win this war’ against Palestinian civilians. Evangelical Christianity and its ties to zionism are explored along with the antisemitic roots of zionism; wanting to expel the Jewish population from Europe is at the core of the movement. Lara speaks about self-determination of Palestinians, and how this is often confused with antisemitism in the western media. She clarifies that Palestinians don’t hate their oppressor because of their religion, they hate them because of their treatment. Amanda explores how this could possible end; it’s not with a petition, as ‘Israel’ has said that they won’t put down their weapons even if a ceasefire deal is signed. It’s a week of ideology and exploring how vocabulary is weaponized to restrict the justice and freedom of Palestinians.

This week, Lara and Michael sit down with the Associate Professor of Law at Queen’s University, Dr. Ardi Imseis. Dr. Imseis has testified at the UN commission of inquiry into the civil war in Yemen, he’s served with UNRWA, and he’s testified for the UN security council and the UN human rights council among many other accolades. He’s also the author of ’The United Nations and the Question of Palestine: Rule by Law and the Structure of International Legal Subalternity.’ This is a fascinating interview, touching on all the major transition points in Palestine from 1947 onwards. Dr. Imseis’ main observation is that the promise of justice made through the initial partition of Palestine is one in which the goalposts are continually moved, and that Palestine, as an outlier among international law cases, is one of legal subalternity. He uses the decolonization movement from many former British and French entities (Syria, Lebanon, Iraq) as an example, and points out how this has missed Palestinians. The biggest key moment, he theorizes, was the General Assembly Resolution of 1947 which legally partitioned Palestine to 509,000 Arabs compared 499,000 Jews, yet called for a democratic state in which the minority was to be in power. The very set up of ‘the state of Israel’ was therefore flawed. At the time of partition, the Jewish population amounted to 5.6%, whereas the Arab population was 56%, however the UN General Assembly gave the majority of the land to the new Jewish state. The right of Palestinian self-determination was comprised from the onset of this ruling, and the consequences of those decisions remain today. Following the Nakba, Palestinians were referred to as an ‘ignorant majority’, and no accountability has been offered since, defying the UN’s obligations under international law to prohibit denationalization. Michael points out how Jewish people publicly opposed zionism during the 1919 Jewish Labor Congress. Lara adds that the Palestinian right of return is the most fundamental among rights. This week’s episode provides a deep dive into the limits of international law; how it doesn’t necessarily deliver justice or liberate, and how revisionist history is widespread and dangerous.

Today, the pod is delighted to welcome the Green Party’s Presidential candidate, Dr. Jill Stein, or as she likes to refer to herself, a threat to the traditional two-party system. Dr. Stein kicks is off by acknowledging her desire to dismantle empire & oligarchy. She calls for empowering the people by making the election a referendum on genocide, she sites the lack of meaningful & fulfilling jobs in the US economy, and she confirms the control that AIPAC has over the US administration. Censorship & consolidated legacy media drown out diverse voices, making our ‘press, the oppressed’.

This week Michael and Lara welcome Hala Hanina, a native Gazan. Hala is a PHD student who had left the country just a few days before October 7th in order to secure a visa for her studies; it’s the first time that she’s been outside of Palestine during an aggression. She’s currently separated from her husband and the rest of her family who are still in Gaza. Hala refers to Palestine as the Phoenix; the mythical bird that rises from the ashes and cannot be defeated. After so many bombings, attacks, and assaults, the people of Gaza continually rebuild their life and continue on. Hala speaks about the choice to migrate from the north to the south, or to leave Palestine. She points out that “it’s not about where we are; it’s who we are.” Just being Palestinian is seen as a crime by the occupation. Hala provides an insightful perspective into the war crimes that are being committed right now, like extortion to cross the border, forced starvation, and the deliberate targeting of medical facilities and personnel. It’s an emotional episode from an incredibly strong Palestinian voice.

Lara and Michael are honored to welcome Plestia this week. 22-year old Plestia reported from Gaza from October 7th until recently, having spent over 100 days capturing the violence against Palestinians. She talks about what life was like in Gaza before October 7th, reminiscing about her favorite restaurants, cafés, and shopping areas. She gets candid about the bleak conversations she would have on a daily basis with her co-journalists, and she touches on survival guilt and how difficult it became to not pit one tragedy against another. Plestia is now safely in Australia but still involved in the Palestinian struggle for freedom and actively calling for a ceasefire.

This week, Lara and Michael have the pleasure of speaking with Chris Smalls, the President of the Amazon Labor Union. Chris highlights the need to organize for social change. Michael speaks about the Histadrut, a 1920’s labor union created to ban Palestinian workers from equal access to jobs. The pod discusses the overlaps in the Palestinian struggle for freedom and that of workers from Google, Amazon, and Starbucks, and the importance of community and solidarity. Chris touches on the AFL-CIO and talks about his experience creating his own union. This week’s episode is a call to action for all employees, regardless of your sector.

Immortal Technique shares his wealth of knowledge today. The Peruvian-born rapper & activist talks about the lessons he learned growing up, when and why he became active in the Palestinian fight for freedom, how the US used the aftermath of 9/11 to start a war in Afghanistan, and how Christian Zionists are funding much of the occupation’s actions.

The pod is thrilled to welcome the two-time award-winning Palestinian story-teller Jenan Matari this week. Jenan tells us about her Tedx talk and how her Palestinian culture was both problematic and eventually praised. She talks about her family and how her lineage can be traced back generations. She also touches on zionism and how her work in media has been affected over the years. Jenan is a breath of fresh air who is here to promote Palestinian culture, history, and freedom.

Lara and Michael have the pleasure of interviewing renowned journalist Jamal Elshayyal this week. Jamal began his field experience aboard the Mavi Marmara as part of the Gaza Freedom Flotilla. The first time he witnessed someone being killed in front of him. Jamal also highlights his colleague Shireen Abu Akleh’s career and her murder by Israeli forces, which still demands an investigation. He touches on the murder of a number of journalists, Ghufran Harun Warasneh being one of them. Many names have not received as much attention despite the ongoing targeting of journalists attempting to cover the Palestinian right to resistance.

Jamal also speaks of the BDS movement, specifically companies like General Mills and Ben & Jerry’s who have divested. Finally, he touches on what it was like to cover the news of the Arab Spring and Muammar Gaddafi’s death.

Adnan Barq is talented Palestinian journalist and documentary filmmaker residing in occupied east Jerusalem. Lara and Michael have the pleasure of speaking with Adnan for a second time (check out episode 11 for our first sit down with Adnan) this week. The pod gets an exclusive first-hand account of Walid al-Sharif’s funeral and the violence that ensued as a result. We also circle back to talk about the beloved journalist Shireen Abu Akleh and we get Adnan’s take on how her senseless murder has furthered the resistance movement. Adnan gives insight on the ‘cemetery of numbers’, or the occupation’s practice of withholding slain Palestinian bodies. You’ll also hear about how higher education institutions within occupied Palestine are reacting to actions for justice, and how individual students are affected. Learn what a ‘Karenizer’ is and be part of the discussion.

This week Lara and Michael sit down with human rights attorney, American activist, university professor, and legal scholar Dr. Noura Erakat. Dr. Erakat discusses the legal structure of Palestine from the Balfour Declaration to the Oslo Accords through ongoing UN claims and treaties. She touches on the four types of international law as defined by the International Court of Justice; 1) international conventions, 2) international custom, 3) the general principles of law, & 4) judicial decisions. Dr. Erakat frames the Palestinian resistance movement through the lens of legal precedents and examines ways in which the international court has failed to guarantee Palestinians basic human rights.

This week Lara and Michael sit down with the founder and CEO of Palestinian Hustle, Samer Fidy. Samer shares the journey that led him to start the Palestinian-owned small business that donates a portion of every sale to charities in the United States fighting food insecurity, and NGOs on the ground in Gaza providing clean water. Samer speaks of his desire to teach his children about responsibility and giving back to both local and global communities. Michael jokes about Samer’s affinity for Starbucks and contemplates whether or not one should strike up a conversation with your barista about Palestine. Samer surprises the Palestine Pod with stories of his past career pursuits then shares wild memories from his time living in Palestine. Finally, The Palestine Pod announces a limited apparel drop in collaboration with Palestinian Hustle, available on both our websites.

This week Lara leads us on a deep dive into the legal frameworks that came into place in the aftermath of the Nakba, including the absentee property law, the law of return, and the nationality law. All these legal devices helped codify the actions of ethnic cleansing and land theft by the rogue Zionist militias into the "legal" actions of a state. We also cover the various ways Zionists stopped Palestinians from returning to their native lands. Lara discusses the examples of Iqrit and Kufr Bir'im, both towns where the Supreme Court of Israel had in one case already ruled in favor of Palestinian return, and the other where the case was pending before the court. In both cases, the IOF demolished the villages so as to render the return of Palestinians impossible. Lara talks about the many thousands of Palestinians who did try to return despite these measures who were murdered in cold blood. We discuss how these policies like the Nakba are ongoing and not something rooted in the past. Finally, we switch gears, covering the censorship of Palestinian content on Tik Tok as a strategy passed down from region-specific moderation teams where Israeli moderators set the standards and Arab moderators were kept in subordinate positions.

This week on the Palestine Pod, we sit down with Hadar Cohen, a Mizrahi feminist multi-media artist, healer and educator originally from Jerusalem with lineage from all over the Middle East including Iran, Iraq, Syria and and Palestine. Hadar is a Jewish mystic with Sephardic roots who works to build decolonial frameworks for worshiping God. Her artistic mediums include performance, movement, writing, weaving, sound and ritual. During the global intifada of unity, Hadar came out as a strong anti-Zionist Jewish voice from on the ground. She speaks to us about her family's presence in Palestine harkening to a time long before Zionism, the power of memory as a liberation tool, and the meaning and importance of decolonizing the mind. Lara quotes Hadar's fierce rebuke of Zionism while imagining a life in Palestine post Zionism. Hadar insists on reclaiming the Arab Jewish identity as something separate and unique from European notions of Judaism in response to Arab Jewish trauma that resulted from the Zionist movement. Michael and Hadar dive deeper into the Zionist weaponization of anti-semitism and Michael reminds us that "nobody does anti-semitism like Zionists do."

This week, the Palestine Pod interviews Lyla June, an Indigenous public speaker, artist, scholar and community organizer of Diné (Navajo) and Tsétsêhéstâhese (Cheyenne) nations from Taos, New Mexico. Lyla speaks to us about the ill-effects of colonialism in Turtle Island (i.e. the United States) especially on food and ecosystems and Lara draws comparisons to Palestine. Lyla describes what makes a sustainable culture and recalls the sustainability of indigenous culture as well as the suitability of indigenous food to indigenous communities on a personal level. We speak about the importance of Land Back in Turtle Island and the Palestinian right of return and Lyla shares with us her journey to learning about and supporting the struggle for Palestinian liberation. Michael queries how white settlers in Turtle Island can best get involved in a Land Back movement.